From owner-gathering@cygnus.com Mon Apr 3 16:04 MDT 2000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by darkstar.welcomehome.org (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id QAA22832 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:03:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) id PAA26041; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wildrockies.org (wildrock.wildrockies.org [206.230.42.162]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA26034 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 15:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from VOGMUDET (12.32.34.13) by wildrockies.org with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:03:26 -0600 From: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Sender: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) To: gathering@cygnus.com Subject: "Targeting, profiling and defiling" Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:03:23 -0600 Message-ID: <1257323093-21487638@wildrockies.org> Sender: owner-gathering@cygnus.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@cygnus.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO Content-Length: 3120 Lines: 55 Howdy, hipStorical Notes; in 1981, at Gathering in Washington, a Ranger named Ray was assigned to Gathering, he rode around with Special Agent Ben hull... i found out the government had a 'profile book" with my picture, name, info on me, Ray mentioned it, and i asked Ben hull one day about it... he said yeah, f.s. does have such a 'profile", seems a "good buddy' ranger, 'straight buffalo", from oregon '78 , met a bunch of us, and thought he was doing the gathering a favor by telling the special agents, who some of us were (pictures)... Ben said my number was 1982 (if i remember right) 'straight buffalo weren't the only basis for information ... this "targeting and profiling" act, used against a private citizen, 'defiles the Constitution" among other acts against the gathering folks perpetuated by forest service et al.. in a mistaken attempt to carry on the "War on Drugs"... i reckon... I wrote this in Legal hipStory at posted . Ranger Ray, in California 1984, his second gathering, far as i know, rides into Montana Camp one morning.. about thirteen of us were having coffee... from al around the country etc.. morning at Home, if you ever been, you know what a pleasure it is... and what a drag to have Ray ride in... and he ups and addresses each and everyone of us BY NAME.... Blew our minds, i couldn't tell all the names of some of the folks sitting with me and i had known most of them for years... (hence the names 'brother, sister etc."... well better than "Hey you!") ole Ray would ask three questions, riding around the gathering playing 'friendly ranger": (1) what is your name? (2) where are you from? (3) what did you do during the winter? he had an amazing memory and i am sure he recorded every bit of the info he could remember, and the (hide out tape) i imagine helped out too... it is tough to use the "Spartacus Defense", if, out of thousands upon thousands of folks, when the government points a finger and says, 'you is Spartacus"... only about a few folks, stand forth and cry "I am spartacus!" or who is left to do clean-up... and it ain't 100 people... it is only 20 or 60 or so, and only ten or 20 or so, working it.... some folks simply can not stand forth, for whatever reason and 'petition' the government direct.. and some folks pay little attention to "temporal" issues, when they are at Home... Home ain't Babylon! and some folks don't know how to speak up, or have given up speaking up... some folks just want to come Home and Be, and pray with their 'brothers and sisters". no problem... what will be will be, as they say... i reckon though, iffn folks want to see some Peace Resolution to these matters... like other things that are done at a Gathering.. ""Necessity determines!" some fine day, i have faith, that thousands of voices will be raised and speak to the Forest Service et al... "KNOW" until that day folks, muddling through Barry, plunker, montana ~~~~Restore the Earth! Restore the People! ~~~~ From owner-gathering@cygnus.com Mon Apr 3 12:57 MDT 2000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by darkstar.welcomehome.org (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id MAA22353 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) id LAA09777; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wildrockies.org (wildrock.wildrockies.org [206.230.42.162]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA09768 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 11:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from VOGMUDET (12.32.34.14) by wildrockies.org with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:54:32 -0600 From: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Sender: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: gathering@cygnus.com Subject: re "defacto leaders" Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:54:26 -0600 Message-ID: <1257334430-20805851@wildrockies.org> Sender: owner-gathering@cygnus.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@cygnus.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO Content-Length: 6185 Lines: 96 Howdy, actually, over the years... even persons who parked their cars, near a gathering site, wound up on the "leader list'... i.e. North Carolina 1987... gal named bonnie, who was only parked near the site... she did attend gatering, i believe her first or second, but was what would be known as a 'newbie'.. also, in penn opinion, you will notice, that Stephen Sedlacko, was proclaimed a "leader' etc.. merely by a forest service agent stopped him and asked where another person was, and would sp give him a message i.e. to garrick.. sp has been put on this 'leader list' and is "targeted' etc.. and as far as i know, he speaks to councils very rarely, and not at all in penn, i believe... hundreds of persons were in councils over an "operating plan' with Leon, District Ranger.. all of these individuals are "de facto contacts' if you get a ticket or even stopped on, near, or at a gathering you are considered a 'defacto contact'.. if you speak, act or in any communicate with any public health, governmental officials, media, or anyone else concerning "gathering' you are a 'de facto contact" if you dig a shitter, work at 'calm', or do any of the other thousand functions of a gathering, you are, acting on "behalf of the gatering' even if it is for yourself and no one else shits in it... and folks have been ticketed for some of these functions... the government picks and chooses who it "targets", i happen to be one of them.. but i am not alone... and at times the government has chosen persons to be a "signer" whether they wanted to or not... under duress and deceptive practice.. additionally, if a person wants to use 'public lands" in the United States of North America, "contacting' the forest service is almost a given.. unless it is some small event... i suggest if folks don't want to communicate with 'public land" "caretakers", which by congressional act the forest service was created to do.. obstensively by the will "of the people'... you may not like it but that is how things are done in these united States of North america... and they intend to have an event of some sort or another.. they outa do as the forest service suggests in their legal documents.. don't do it on 'public land'... access to use of 'public lands", i.e. if you personally use the 'public lands', you are accepting the premise these lands are 'public' and you are accepting stuff that goes with it.. congressional/executive actions created 'public lands" i.e. forest service or B.L.m. etc... if you feel you personally own these lands, cause you are one of the public, well 260 million other people or so "Americans" have a say in the matter.. and the way they have a say, is through electing congressional officials, who pass laws concerning public lands.. i.e. Federal land management Act of 1976 etc.. it may be true only a few folks come early and only a few folks stay late for clean-up and restoration.. and maybe in this way, forest service got the idea these 'janitors' were the 'leaders' cause in many cases, it was the same folks year after year... BUT, being a 'janitor' don't mean these folks are 'leaders' or 'followers' just means they took time out of their personal lives to commit to something they believe in, beyond talking about it... a costly endeavor, ask anyone who has wound up paying out of their own pockets while 'scouting' or 'cleaning up' after thousands of other folks who seem to pay little or no attention to supporting these folks... if thousands of folks stayed for clean-up, or set-up, which i hope will happen year after year... (see my rap on Tribal clean-up days july 8-10) no way the forest service could so easily choose out who is a 'leader'... i don't like it, just how it is, doesn't have to be that way... thousands upon thousands of folks come a'gatherin, enjoy themselves, and leave... millions have come, through the years... and yet, i am still paying debts from Texas 1988...oregon 1997 etc... from what i put out just to Do... and so has sailor, who has my respect for being there... and many others... eating out of dumpsters all through 'seed camp" Idaho 1982... great for what it is... but $10 donation from all the folks who were on their way or came along would have meant "good food" for the kids, at least... being early or staying late, is costly... other than spending your pesonal savings... you can wind up being shot at, harassed.. etc.. and wind up being 'tagged' 'gang listed' as a "leader"... and harassed by well-meaning, mistaken 'brothers and sisters' who are hell bent to have things their personal way... and are pissed off because the site wasn't up to their personal expectations etc... or because you spoke to a forest service person.... i got no real gripe with folks who don't come to gatherings xcept for the two week vacation... i would it be different.. just like i wanted for years and years, for folks to pay attention to this 'legal" mess... but few folks paid attention... some disdaining it as "political"... horseshit and molasses folks... "exercising your rights" means more than just exercising your mouth, in my humble opinion... "those who know their hipstory will enjoy it" in early days, folks would show up, communicate with forest service, local cops, and the general citizens... no one considered these folks actions off the wall, only doing what was and is necessary.. plowing the field, so to speak... forest service tickets folks who do any of these actions as 'leaders".. i.e. tickets in oregon, arizona, penn etc... myself and others, have been 'targeted', 'profiled' etc.. cause I get up, stand, up, speak up... and for me it is all part of 'gathering'... i don't like it, it ain't legal, but that is the Way it is! i never thought i would have to study law etc.. and probably never would except for the many court cases i have been dragged into by forest service... and to stand up for my rights... tks... barry, plunker, montana ~~~~Restore the Earth! Restore the People! ~~~~ From owner-gathering@cygnus.com Sun Apr 2 13:02 MDT 2000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by darkstar.welcomehome.org (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA19146 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:02:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) id LAA14811; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wildrockies.org (wildrock.wildrockies.org [206.230.42.162]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA14806 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from VOGMUDET (12.32.35.55) by wildrockies.org with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:54:24 -0700 From: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Sender: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: gathering@cygnus.com Subject: re what group "rainbow family"? Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:54:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1257420843-15607776@wildrockies.org> Sender: owner-gathering@cygnus.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@cygnus.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO Content-Length: 7109 Lines: 124 Howdy, book by ed Mcgaee (sp) might be called "Rainbow Tribe" instead of 'Rainbow Family Tribe"... and i can't spell his name very well, no disrespect intended... "Rainbow Tribe" is another name the Government has usurped for its "religious group" "rainbow family, rainbow nation, rainbow tribe, rainbow family of living light et al, an unincorporated association"... you know i am finally getting it figured out how to write this to the court... by the way, iffn anyone has any special comments, addressed to me or the government, and would like them entered into federal court, i would be only too happy to receive them, and enter them, unedited, into court... please certify i.e. notarize these documents, or at least have a couple of folks witness these documents, so they will enter court more easily these some suggested questions, I feel, if answered, will illuminate, educate the courts and the government. please only answer them if you will, and please understand, i realize these ain't the only questions that need answering. it is just some i been reckoning outa establish whether or not there is such a "religous group" called 'rainbow family" and whether it exists in the temporal world instead of the spiritual world where i believe it resides... i.e. in the hearts and minds.: (1) do you believe it is legal or constitutional to compel someone to join an "association" without their prior knowledge or consent, upon the part of government or anyone else? did you know by attending a "gathering" you are compelled by governmental decree to be a "member' of a 'religous group called rainbow family, an unincorporated association"? did you know the government has decreed that the book known as the "Rainbow guide' is the "bible' of the 'religious group known as rainbow family, an unincorporated association"? did you know by governmental decree, a newspaper known as the "All Ways Free" 'belongs to" and is the 'official' communicative device of this 'religious group called rainbow family, an unincoporated assocication', particularly this "religious group's leaders"? did you know the "All Ways Free", a completely independent journal, was established with a policy of independence et al from 'rainbow family', 'rainbow gatherings" and any variations of the theme and in fact, is completely independent of any and all other individuals and groups, and has a long established policy of stating so? (2) are you now or have you ever been a "member" of a 'religious group" named in government documents 'rainbow family, an unincorporated association"? If so, do you have any documentation to this action i.e. did anyone direct, give or offer for sale, or by any other legal transaction make you a 'member"? Was there a ceremony or process whereby you acquired or became a "member' of this 'group" or any 'group" known as 'rainbow family unincorporated association'? Is there a 'group" or even 'individuals" called 'rainbow family unincorporated association' or "rainbow family", or who call themselves 'rainbow family" who conferred on you this "membership"? who were these people and by what process was this "membership" conferred? did this "membership" take place at a "gathering',. a "peaceable assembly' or some other place on Earth? (3) do you think or believe there some "individuals" who are THE 'group" "rainbow family"? if so, who are these people? do you know any of them personally? do you have any legal association with any of them? if so, what kind? are you 'member' in any 'group' called 'rainbow family"? in this group' called 'rainbow family" is there "leaders', "followers", 'chiefs", "officers", or any other forms of legal structure? are you a 'leader' or 'follower' in this 'group called rainbow family"? how long have you been a 'member' of this 'group called rainbow family"? How did you know when you became a "member'? a "follower'? a "leader"? (4) do you believe that some 'group" called 'rainbow family" actually exists and 'operates", "runs', 'directs", 'commands", "does" "gatherings"? (5) have you ever seen someone, who stated they were, in fact, "rainbow family" and in 'command' of any such 'gathering"? if so, how did you know this person was a legitmate 'rainbow in charge"? do you know this person's name? did anyone else or everyone else "obey" this "rainbow in charge" "commandments"? did you 'obey' this 'rainbow in charge' 'commandments"? a. because he or she was 21 years of age or older? b. because he or she was someone who had interfaced with the U.S. Federal Forest Service et al? c. to your knowledge was this person/s acting as a 'legal agent, representative or authority' of 'rainbow family unincorporated association" or 'rainbow family"? If so, how do you know this? from personal knowledge? legal documentation? d. have you now or ever given someone a 'rainbow in charge" a legal right to act as 'agent, authority, or representative" of you? of "rainbow family"? If so, how did this take place, what process, who was involved, etc.? (6) do you practice a religion known as 'rainbow family"? if so, is there priests, preachers, ministers, or any other officers or recognized titles or positions of authority in this religious practice known as 'rainbow family? if so, who are these persons in position of "authority"? how do you know they are in 'authority"? (7) who is "rainbow family"? a 'group'? certain people? a specific number of people? If so, how many are there? how many do you know? do you change your legal identity, and join this "group", when you come to a 'gathering"? if so, how is this done? (8) Forest Service and other law enforcement are assigned to the 'gatherings' each year, in what they call 'management" of an "Incident". How do you feel about this governmental involvement? Their statements concerning 'going after the leaders of the rainbow family"? I might be able to think of a bunch of more questions i would love to get answers too, but i reckon you might catch my drift... it is cool iffn you don't answer these questions or only some of them, or not at all... I basically would like to know who is legally identified as being 'rainbow family unincorporated association"? As I have said before i believe it to be a 'government established religion' which i am sure, is Unconstitutional. I just reckon out of al the folks who communicate with one another, planetwide, there outa be one person's rap or another, that will clear up for the court and for the government and for the Forest Service and for all the folks near and far, who really want to know... who really are the "rainbow family group"? where are they located? is there 'membership' dues, or lists etc... answering some of these questions might clear up, what is, i feel 'a failure to communicate" tks. barry, plunker, montana ~~~~Restore the Earth! Restore the People! ~~~~ From owner-gathering@cygnus.com Sat Apr 1 21:37 MST 2000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by darkstar.welcomehome.org (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA17636 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:37:29 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) id UAA29137; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:34:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from wildrockies.org (wildrock.wildrockies.org [206.230.42.162]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA29133 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from VOGMUDET (12.32.34.16) by wildrockies.org with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:34:06 -0700 From: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Sender: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: gathering@cygnus.com Subject: Not in your "rainbow family" Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:34:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1257472455-12502275@wildrockies.org> Sender: owner-gathering@cygnus.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@cygnus.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO Content-Length: 9212 Lines: 151 Howdy, for the record, like a letter i sent to the F.S. "I am not now nor ever have been a member of any group called Rainbow Family et al" I am not now nor ever been a "member" of a Federal Judge's government created religious group, called 'rainbow family, unicorporated association"... as far as i am concerned, regardless of the fact some folks signed as being part of this group, an agreement with the State of North Carolina in 1987... these people had no legal rights too sign for me, or the concept 'rainbow family"... and they only signed on the paper "under duress'.. government threatened at least one of them with taking his land if he didn't sign... and i know these folks and they damm sure had no plans of signing legally for any 'group' called "rainbow family".. and other folks who have signed... deceptive practice and duress upon the part of Special Agents Forest Service... Is there some 'group" i should have asked, or joined... I made a decision for myself, by myself, without consulting any other persons, concerning signing an 'application' as a 'contact' for myself... in, by and for myself... practicing my faith. Though the government has consistently decreed there is in fact a "group" of people called the "Rainbow Family", I disagree.. The Rainbow Family is a Spiritual Ideal, a concept I believe was conceptualized in the mind of Jesus Christ of the Tao, (i have testified in court to this) and thereby through mystical ways, was passed to me. this Visionary process of discerning the coolective relationship of all Creation, I found, was something that many, many people, of many identities, from all over the Earth had apparently been seeking or practicing for many, many centuries. I wrote an Invitation to "World Family Gathering" in 1971, which conceptualized this coolective relationship, of my faith and practice... completely on my own, and i asked various friends and other folks who had their own particular beliefs, similar but in no way like mine is.. to spread and share this Invitation...In fact, I have never met any other Jesus Christ Taoist, except myself... to help spread this Invitation worldwide. I believe "Rainbow Family" is a CONCEPT OF AN IDEAL THAT RESIDES IN THE IMAGINATION. it does not exist in the temporal world, the world of Caesar. No matter how much the government needs to establish this 'religious group" as convenience for the courts and providing a method whereby the government can then prosecute who they determine to be "leaders' nonetheless... 'rainbow family" does not legally exist, nor does any semblance of a "group" association called 'rainbow family " exist. There is gatherings of individuals and groups from all around the world, and these peaceable assemblies are known to be 'rainbow-style" but in fact, most of the people who come to these peaceable assemblies barely know one another and have little or no association beyond these 'gatherings', certainly no legal relationship. I asked Jesus Christ of the Tao, how to get legal standing in court and Jesus Christ of the Tao, of the Great Spirit said, be a "contact' and apply for an application. I have deep spiritual, religious convictions concerning NO LICENSE TO PRAY, NO Permit is needed. contrary to what some individuals or groups may want, I am not their 'leader' nor will i sign something for them individually or for "their group". The government may think they can legally compel me to be a "member' of some fabricated government "religious group" (which has been illegally set up by government) but the government prosecutors are wrong. And some folks may think they can legally compel me to be a "member' of their particular "group", their version of "rainbow family" and thereby prosecute me for doing them and their group wrong, but I do not agree. I am only an individual taking an individual path toward another day in court. in 1988, in Texas, I was the only individual defendant who showed up and defended himself against the charge of being a "rainbow leader'... i was successful in gaining the right to gather, but i was unsuccessful in stopping the Judge Justice from creating his version of "rainbow family, unincorporated association" (U.S. vs Barry Adams, pro se)... Also, i can not be compelled to join the government's version of "rainbow family" nor some people's version as is written in "Rainbow Guide" a dogmatic religious view baring little semblance to my personal beliefs... nor will i join any other dogmatics, who somehow insist they are with me... jesus Christ of the Tao, of the Great Spirit who is "rainbow family" to me, as far as i know, is a spiritual religious faith and practice that I seem to be alone in living. I certainly love my friends and i love my "family", but my "family" is everyone inthe world, and all of creation... and calling them "family" or "brother and sister" certainly does not compel them to like me, love me or relate to me as 'family" or 'brother and sister etc."... "rainbow family' to me is truly an 'unassociated association" except for time (living now), place (on Earth etc.), and in billions of manner (ways)... personally, I don't know many of them either.... Thank you for wanting me to be your "leader', it is flattering, but in my faith and practice... there is no leaders, no followers, and my reliance is on Jesus Christ for guidance. I am sure you will understand when I decline to be in your 'group" no matter how close you are to me personally, nor how close or in sync your beliefs are with mine... or the fact you and i may find ourselves on the same "common ground' of various "peaceable assemblies". I subscribe to the concept "If thy Eye be single, thy whole body shall be filled with light"... My mind and heart space is on jesus and the '[true rainbow family of living light"... (many of whom have already gone to the skies) I don't mind peaceably assembling with you and loving you 'love thy neighbor" and even call you 'brother" or 'sister', or "family' so you will connect better or understand the faith I practice (or because i don't know your name, or who you really are) but join your religious group, your practice, as your "leader" or "follower" ... sorry... You could try Ed Magaas (sp) "Rainbow Family Tribe'... he seems to be into the 'leader - follower" scene... and he has his own 'rainbow-style' gatherings... however, he does not like folks who dance naked or do marijuana as sacrament or even peyote-eaters, so please check with him concerning whether you qualify for his "Rainbow Family Tribe", (his book named 'Rainbow Family Tribe" is published by Bear and co. press) Not qualifying for his "Rainbow Family Tribe' perhaps you could try some of the federal prosecutors and Forest Service special agents... they are all ways looking for 'leaders" and presumedly 'followers" to be 'members' of their "Rainbow Family, unincorporated asssociation"... maybe the folks on their list might be who you are looking for... perhaps they will want "followers", who want "leaders" who will "sign" or "not sign" as you direct... thanks barry, plunker, montana p.s. for those of you who have a hard time reading things... I have resent the first part of the "application"... NOTE: it reads 'application & permit"... I am ONLY filling in the 'application" part ... and only for myself.... the PERMIT PART DOES NOT APPLY, IS UNCONSTITUIONAL AND I HAVE FOUGHT THIS PERMIT VIBE FOR NEARLY 30 years now... and by the way, i ain't whining or even complaining about what people write concerning this issue... hell, i welcome all these comments...for many years I tried to get folks woke up about this illegal "legal' process... no one paid a bit of attention... and then just a few, very damm few.. now, however, how nice... ARE YOU AWAKE NOW????.... as i have repeatedly said... these comments prove my points, which even "thick-headed' Judges outa be able to read. tks... beap htl Authorization ID FS-2700-3b (10/99) Contact ID OMB No. 0596-0082 USDA Forest Service FOREST SERVICE USE TYPE 311 SPECIAL-USE APPLICATION & PERMIT DATE RECEIVED HOLDER NO. EXPIRATION DATE NONCOMMERCIAL GROUP USES / / (Ref.: 36 CFR 251.54) TIME: __:__ __ __ __-__ __ __ /__ /__ Authority: Organic Act of 1897, APPLICATION DATE TIME 16 U.S.C. 551 GRANTED ___ DENIED ___ __ /__ /__ __:__ PART I - APPLICATION 1. APPLICANT INFORMATION: Name of Group: Address of Group or Contact: N/A -- Barry Adams, individual * Contact address: Box 8574 Msla. Mt. 59807 Name of Contact: Barry Adams Day Phone: none Evening Phone: ~~~~Restore the Earth! Restore the People! ~~~~ From owner-gathering@cygnus.com Fri Mar 31 22:57 MST 2000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by darkstar.welcomehome.org (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA15082 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:57:50 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) id WAA29925; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from wildrockies.org (wildrock.wildrockies.org [206.230.42.162]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA29921 for ; Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from VOGMUDET (12.32.34.12) by wildrockies.org with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Fri, 31 Mar 2000 23:02:15 -0700 From: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Sender: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: gathering@cygnus.com Subject: Reply to Rep-lies Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 23:02:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1257553561-7622790@wildrockies.org> Sender: owner-gathering@cygnus.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@cygnus.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO Content-Length: 11100 Lines: 175 Howdy, I have quietly been sending this note to answer some questions from folks about my position... but since folks want to run it all out in the public eye... right on... (and by the way, i have done many , many clean-ups and many, many set-ups... seed to seed... and i have the most tickets and have been being prosecuted longer than any one else... just for the record)... and i love the folks who make claims they was at some gatherings... but if they were, they sure were either not paying attention or they only just lately woke up... and I AM SIGNING AN APPLICATION AS CONTACT FOR AN APPLICATION - - NOT FOR A PERMIT.. JUST IN CASE YOU ALL CAN'T READ SO WELL... I am glad for all the comments... will make good reading for the judge, i believe.. proves my points exactly.. iffn the folks who write so vehemently only practiced what they preach... what a great world. love you barry, plunker, montana... my plan is simple I have been told for years i must put in an application in order to get good standing in federal court.. i could never do this until i saw this particular version.. a form that has changed since 1997... i was advised procedure is: (1) write forest service ask about it... they send me an answer "in a timely manner" (2) whatever their answer... i go into federal court, in downtown mizzoo... and make Motion for Declaratory Judgement, concerning the various answers to my questions.. i believe No Federal Judge can issue an Order that states I can be a "legal" contact... violates 18 usc 1001 etc... it would be saying i can lie to a federal officer... (2) the question of "emergency" or "36 cfr 251' comes into play (3)i expose the "deceptive practices', including questioning various Forest officials about how they determined the 1997 signer as legal or the 1996 signer as legal...of an application and permit... i believe in 1996, "kind bud" only signed an "application".. which is why, in 1997, they made a special trip out of national forest jurisdiction, to portland and had the woman sign the permit also.. (not this version or this form)... (4) if forest service gets a ruling from court, that i can "legally" sign... or face prosecution... then I appeal to Ninth Circuit, Ninth Circuit already has questioned this "process" as excessive.. and they feel second stage should be "operating Plan", which by the way, covers most of what the second "part II" is all about... Part II is unnecessary... (5) minute it looks like i actually be 'ordered' by a court to be a 'legal" contact.... it is possible, somebody, some responsible objecting individual who takes exception... brings a suit, in federal court for violation of his/her right to privacy, civil rights, due process etc.. against the forest service AND me, this throws the question of who is "legal" up in the air... (6) other possibility, is hundreds of similar applications.. all with contact filled in, NOT, I REPEAT NOT #6 which i fill in as N/A - 'contact" makes these 'applications" valid - they are (on-line)and folks can fill one in and file it, at any time... these "applications", if this has happened, must be dealt with... 30,000 divided by 75 equals hundreds of 'applications" all for each individual etc... that all must be dealt with within 72 hours... (7) the public, up here in this region, do not like the forest circus at all, and a big question of public access is front burner, up this way... THE public up here is going to be happier, that i have taken a position that closely resembles their own... NO license needed to pray, or petition, in the national forest, YET, NOTIFICATION I.E. APPLICATION... and if denied, a viable alternative must be offered, denial can only be on very narrow grounds that are appealable. 75 or more folks getting together in the forest up here happens every weekend... iffn a District Ranger etc... comes and finds a large gathering, (and some judgement on part of the local forester can come into play under the 'contact' position as to what constitutes a 'large' gathering) however, iffn a Forester comes along, stops, makes "contact' with someone, so iffn the area is in fact going to be used by someone else... and other narrow grounds... the Forester will have one of the attendees to communicate with concerning these issues, plus iffn forest site is not cleaned up, then this indvidual bears some responsibility, in this matter... how much will be determined by court...I have asked this question of liability of the Forest Service. Since 1971, out of Respect to the "public" i.e. THE People, I and many others, have approached national forest or other public land 'caretakers' concerning a "gathering" headed in their direction i.e. Notification.. and since 1972, (and Vortex 1970) I and others have worked out an 'operating plan" first verbally, until 1982, Idaho Gathering... and then i, with others, wrote the "operation plan" and took it to "idaho gathering council" as i indicated in my letter... This writing of an 'operating plan' , which the Forest SErvice has used(since 1982) as its model for the "operating plans" and "rehabilitation plans" they have placed in the hands of various "attendees', as you know... i feel i have got my paperwork straight on this matter... (1) i have not spoke at main council since 1992, except as an announcer, in prayer, or in 1998, in Arizona, i "centered' a "Shanti Sena circle", in the spirit of the 'shanti sena' consciousness, during the forest circus caused 'riot condition' surrounding the "bust" of jacob etc... (2) i inquired to the Allegheny Forest concerning information on last year's 'Gathering", as a private citizen, an individual... in writing they directed me to Bill Fox.. he directed me to FOIA etc... and if i am in any way a 'legal agent' for the 'rainbow family', or for the 'gathering", then why is it that i am not allowed to see the 'signed permit' (supposedly signed for me 'legally", in 1997) nor am i allowed to see who was actually ticketed in penn (their paperwork) many little items like this... which demonstrates i have NO "legal" right to information that someone who is a "legal agent etc." would normally have... (3) in faxes to Fox and the governor etc.. i declared in writing that "i am not an agent, representative, or authority for "rainbow family", nor for "Gathering of the Tribes 2000"... got documentation to this effect. (4) also, going through this process, the Forest Service, if it cites anyone, it will have to be me... and i live here... (5) the 'targeting and profiling" of "rainbow people -= leaders or otherwise", plus the 'targeting and profiling" of "attendees" MUST be stopped.. Ninth clearly indicates in my case in Oregon... they haven't decided in their Opinion whether the Forest Service is violating the civil rights of 'gathering attendees'... this, i believe is going to bring the entire question into play...etc... other than that, i will be doing this pro se.. looking for any help on preparing this Motion for Declaratory Judgement... and other help.. comments from some indviduals concerning how they feel about WHAT i am doing... 'flaming me" calling me names, one person even has told me i will receive a piece of human shit, with Mr potato head eyes and ears etc... as a statement of how they feel toward me signing anything... believe me, all these comments, plus possible lawsuits being filed against me and the Forest Service, plus as additional added benefit of learning where folks i know or don't know are at about me, and this... is useful information. i do not believe the Forest Service will accept my application... waiting on their reply.. and waiting on the Two FOIA requests... one for info on all the gatherings and on me.. two, for the Impact Resource Report from penn... i believe Ben has perceived what i am doing... other folks don't read worth a shit... but oh well, in my Analysis: there is War and Anti-War there is government and anti-government AND THERE IS PEACE... Vortex I, oregon 1970, a "permitted" event, where the "Rainbow Family consciousness' was founded was a PEACE event The 'Gatherings' are, always have been, always will be, a "PEACE GATHERING"... Some people want to do away with government, some folks want to act like they are the government, some folks (the People) are the government and some folks like me... are one "of the people, for the people, by the people", and my faith in Jesus Christ, Great Spirit etc.. has opened this "Gateway" through the bureaucratic maze... if it don't work.. then things this summer, up this way, will be like Texas 1988.. CONFRONTATION all the way... Battle of Seattle, in the Woods... i don't mind taking this risk, iffn there is a Peace Resolution... Far as i am concerned - ONLY government agents, provocateurs and assholes want to see CONFRONTATION without any Moves for Peace. I make this Peace Move, as a "responsible ecolutionary'. I have been a 'blacklisted' "a leader' etc... of the 'rainbow family" since 1971... by government... and in legal jeapordy since then... and i have run blockades etc... as some folks know and remember.. and I objected in 1976 thru 1980 when folks in "councils' stated they wanted to sign a "permit"... and some individuals did... i regret i didn't bring suit against the folks who signed the agreement in North Carolina in 1987... even though "under duress'... this signing "legitimized" all the "legal" processes of the Forest Service since then... it is likely the folks who signed would have appreciated someone bringing "legal objections " to their "legal" right to sign, i am sure... it might have put it all up in the air then... i didn't have enuf legal knowledge to do that at that time.. nor in 1996 or 1997... now... always now... better late than never... "legal standing is a biggie'... this "rainbow family' only seems to exist "legally" in the paperwork of the Forest Service and the courts. i have been someone who has been being prosecuted for 30 years by government, over these issues, and at various times prosecuted by "brothers and sisters etc" for various Peace Actions I have taken jesus came into my heart and said... 'get up, stand up for your rights'... I am, I will, and I am not surprised some folks call me a liar, hypocrite, traitor, evil i.e. "Rose Davis of the Rainbow"... I don't agree, naturally, but i ain't surprised... i consider the source... and take note. i done lots of things, over the years, but i am consistant, constant in my "constitutional position" and my spiritual/religious faith... ultimately i know i am going to win... maybe not in the courts, but in the 'hearts and minds of the people"... thanks for writing and asking and thanks for reading... barry, plunker, montana ~~~~Restore the Earth! Restore the People! ~~~~ From owner-gathering@cygnus.com Wed Mar 29 09:55 MST 2000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by darkstar.welcomehome.org (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id JAA06864 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:55:18 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) id JAA11540; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:01:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from wildrockies.org (wildrock.wildrockies.org [206.230.42.162]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA11513 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:00:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from VOGMUDET (208.26.209.224) by wildrockies.org with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:00:20 -0700 From: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Sender: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: gathering@cygnus.com Subject: My Constitutional Position Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:00:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1257773277-5323625@wildrockies.org> Sender: owner-gathering@cygnus.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@cygnus.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO Content-Length: 10739 Lines: 174 howdy, "GOOD MORNING, V..." GATHERING! "what we got here is a failure to communicate" - cool hand luke Speaking to this Circle and to the many circles and to the circles in each of you, individually... In a prayer for clarity, in regards to my Constitutional position concerning the First Amendment and Public lands. On , if you read my HipStories and Legal papers I have consistently dug a particular legal shitter now, since 1970, "Rainbow Family of Living Light, inc." an incorporated church, State of Oregon... Harold and Jeannie Williams, myself and another person became a legal church so we could legally become a foster home in the State of oregon, because the government had already begun giving us kids to raise, and runaways... some of whom would show up at Rainbow House in Eugene. Incorporated for ONLY one year. Us folks at Rainbow House, all street and mountain folks, off the street, by act of miracle etc "rainbow famiily"... also went into the Police Dept and set up communications with them, over street problems... at one point we instituted "Walk a Cop" where folks "street people" would walk with Cops, on the Eugene Mall and act as a buffer between 'street people"/mall folks, and the "animus" of the Cops. We called ourselves T.L.F. Tactical Love Force.. renamed Shanti Sena (peace scenes)... this T.L.F. and Shanti Sena is a consciousness... which translates into a form of "street law'... as B.Dylan sang, "If you live outside the law, you must be honest"... I have lived and gathered out on the public land.. in National Forests, off and on, since 1968. the public lands are "of the people, by the people, for the people" ALL THE PEOPLE, not just me and thousands of others who happen to gather in the same locale every year. At a Gathering, on the common ground, iffn there is RESPECT, I do not simply come into a Meadow, proclaim it mine, and don't say shit to anyone else. Iffn I have Respect for the Peace, I communicate or NOTIFY other folks on the common ground, i.e. gathering, of my INTENTIONS - i could be 'DENIED" USE OF THIS MEADOW, BY Gathering attendees i.e. "by the people", on narrow grounds, unless I worked it out, deal with the inevitable circles which would form over this matter (see RAve raps on agr). I would have to find an ALTERNATIVE SITE based on one of the CRITERIA or CUSTOMS developed through years of Gatherings which are: (1)RESERVATION: what if this meadow was already going to be used, i.e. therefore reserved, by SISTER CIRCLE or some such- this has happened at Gatherings... (2)Environmental -- last year a struggle broke out between circles of people, over the use of wetlands for MAIN CIRCLE... I and many others were against this obvious destructive impact... some kitchens were camped way too close to the water etc...i have cleaned up way to many gatherings and seen the actual impact to ever want folks harming such delicate habitat. (3)health and safety - in North Carolina, in 1987, the "punks etc." dug up a shitter (including all the shit) and moved it away from being on top of a spring... No way someone is going to park their car on top of a springhead... etc.. "of the people, by the people, for the people" National Forests are public land. Forest Service, working in an ideal fashion, are "caretakers of the land". in spite of potential prosecution, each year, when i come to a gathering, as i have said, i get in touch with Forest Service. I got in touch with them, this year, here in this area, I live here.. Getting in touch with them, for me, means letting the "people" i.e. the public, via Forest Service, know I (maybe 74 others) are planning on using a particular area, or meadow. In a sense Reserving a Site, same as at a Gathering.. I try to learn if the habitat is too sensitive or for some health or safety reason this place ain't viable. I have always advocated that all that should be required is this minimal CONTACT i.e. Notification... and finding that some other "of the people, by the people, for the people" are already planning a Fourth Celebration on that site... I would advocate going somewhere else. Likewise, if the Forest Service knows a gathering is going to be on a site... then they inform(maybe) ANTI-gathering folks - who also want to use this site, it is already taken. Likewise for narrow grounds environmentally and health,safety wise... there was a big discussion, on agr, concerning a person/s calling a Gathering in Sedona this year... all these CRITERIA were "flamed' through this discussion. my LEGAL objection to Forest Service application/permit process is: (1) in 1972, until 1976 - Forest Service did not agree gatherings had the right to exist on public lands... in 1978, in Oregon a statement was issued, by a Regional Forester to the effect Gatherings have a place on public lands.. (2) a PERMIT or LICENSE to pray... i have fought this since 1972... for many years, it was garrick and me, alone (with occasional foks tuning in) then, others joined in, slowly... Thomas, in D.C. joined up... I have been in many Federal Courts... i have won more than i have lost.. NOT because i am a chaotic i.e. meaning no unity, no communication, no agreements with the govt... but because, even though i am a "religious fanatic" over NO PERMIT TO PRAY, nonetheless i worked for years, with others, to get simple "Notification and Operating Plan in the Process etc. (3) I can get legal standing for my position in court, the same way i can get a circle to form at a gathering (a version of the peoples court)... that is, by a controversy... signing on as a SIMPLE CONTACT, on an application, gets me another Day in Court... NOT AS A DEFENDANT... that will always be a possibility later. My legal position is... if any large group of people (75 is way to few, and is burdensome) were to decide on getting together in a National Forest, as one "of the people", I would like to know... iffn they come into Grizzly Bear habitat... I want to let them know, "for the people"... find another site... and if they piss in the water, shit on the ground, wallow in filth, endangering public health, or get out guns and shoot at folks driving by... for the sake "of the people' i surely want someone to 'tone' these folks down... Shanti Sena is the Way at the Gatherings... Forest Service are the way inthe rest of the world... Forest Service jobs ARE this CARETAKER role. I struggle for the Right of folks to Pray or petition, peaceably assemble on public lands, with the First Amendment as THE statement of my inalienable right... I struggle for the right of folks to come into a national Forest, for prayer, petition or any other peaceable assembly purpose or recreation purpose, and either finding themselves in large numbers, or Forest Service etc. sees a large number of people at some place.. the Forest Service approaches... makes Contact, shares an appraisal of the environmental, reservation, health/safety issues, with the folks who are there... gives them a set of Operational Plan Guidelines, on how to look after the place.. helps them with the resource and health issues etc... All the good ways, i and many others like to see happen with the Forest Service... Contrary to what the court in Penn thinks, I feel my legal position is fair, common sense, bureaucratically acceptable, AND is RESPECTFUL to the rest of the citizens WHO ALSO are 'the people". I certainly understand, if folks don't agree with me. The Forest Service has been prosecuting me since 1972, over this position. I have spoken in hundreds of councils, written this many times... spoke with the government, many, many times... and i have certainly spoken of my position on all this person to person, with thousands of people, at gatherings and other places. The public lands are 'of the people, by the people, for the people" not just for me, not just for "rainbow family', not just for "rainbow-style" gatherings, not just for my friends. THE PUBLIC LANDS ARE FOR ALL THE PEOPLE... Iffn the Federal Courts fully agree -- SIMPLE contact, with no 'liabilities etc." fulfills the bureaucratic requirement... and the process comes down to ONE PERSON, ANYONE PERSON, NOTIFYING THE FOREST SERVICE ETC. concerning the presense of a large group peaceable assembly... and by this contact, information can be shared, by Forest Service to the 'people" and operational Plan guidelines are worked out, land is taken care of etc... then cool by me... To take the position the Forest Service has no place in the matter of people on national forest lands and should be totally shunned etc...is nonesense,and is an UnConstitutional position, in my opinion. for the Forest Service to take the position that in addition to Notification i.e. application, there must be a PERMIT is nonesense, and UN-Constitutional. For the Forest Service to harass, "target, profile", create a Police-state on the threshold of peaceable assemblies is illegal, UN-Constitutional, and MUST be stopped! I am not, nor hope ever to be a Chaotic (no law, no agreements among people is nonesense). This is like the Gaia phrase... 'thy will is the whole of the law'... this is b.s., if you follow this line of thinking then the gatherings would have folks walking around taking stuff from folks and hurting folks, without anyone else doing anything about it... and digging shitters in the springs. True Constitutional Anarchy, as practiced by some folks, at the gatherings and elsewhere, involves reaching agreements among people... this is community... i fully expect to be in court again, at my expense, as usual, and since i am already in legal jeopardy as being a "leader", and face fine or jail... i am going to the circle, before the circle comes to me... going toward court. Each and everyone of you, have your path, and your rights to stand up for... i am continuing in a struggle to acheive mine (ant eh rights of future generations). By the way, in 30 years of struggle, i have kept digging this same shitter... rocks are in the way... if i am wrong, and it turns out there is water in hole... i will dig another. i am in for the long run folks... and those of you that know me, know i am persistent... and i clean-up after i am done. thanks for reading. barry, plunker, montana ~~~~Restore the Earth! Restore the People! ~~~~ From owner-gathering@cygnus.com Tue Mar 28 22:44 MST 2000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by darkstar.welcomehome.org (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA05347 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:44:45 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) id VAA14580; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:49:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from wildrockies.org (wildrock.wildrockies.org [206.230.42.162]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA14565 for ; Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:49:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from VOGMUDET (208.26.209.225) by wildrockies.org with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:48:37 -0700 From: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Sender: peacetribes@wildrockies.org X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 To: gathering@cygnus.com Subject: APPLICATION FORM, AND PERMIT FORM Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:48:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1257813579-2899140@wildrockies.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by cygnus.com id VAA14575 Sender: owner-gathering@cygnus.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@cygnus.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Status: RO Content-Length: 9961 Lines: 206 Howdy, fOLKS, One thing i have learned -- people do not READ.. even when their personal ass is on the line... lawyers don't do adequate research or even minimal research or understand what it is that is happening... this LEGAL PROCESS CHANGED IN 1999. please read APPLICATION FORM and PERMIT FORM... notice the difference... notice the Forest Circus changed the process, 1999 - - added application needing to be granted AND THEN PERMIT NEEDING TO BE SIGNED... two SEPERATE STEPS... I am into one, if I don't got to be a 'LEGAL' "CONTACT".... I ain't signing application for anyone else but me, not for any group, nor for "Gathering". This process is a way to get 'legal standing" in court, without a ticket, of which i have had 5, i believe... I ain't ever going to SIGN A PERMIT.. (FOR THE SAKE OF THE UNBORN AND BORN) PLEASE read my letter.. Read my HipStory AND LEGAL raps, POSTED ON : I have since Fall, 1971 offered my name and address as a CONTACT at every Gathering... i attended... in case clean-up and restoration ain't done done... NOT AS AN OFFICIAL OR LEGAL CONTACT, JUST A SIMPLE CONTACT... and I have contacted the Forest Circus at every Gathering I been at.. and so has many, many other folks... concerning what SITE etc... NOTIFICATION AND OPERATING PLAN is what I have been into since 1972... please READ my letter to the Forest Circus.. AND PLEASE read the regulation 36 cfr 251... it explains so many things... thanks barry, plunker, montana Authorization ID FS-2700-3b (10/99) Contact ID OMB No. 0596-0082 USDA Forest Service FOREST SERVICE USE TYPE 311 SPECIAL-USE APPLICATION & PERMIT FOR DATE RECEIVED CONTACT ID EXPIRATION DATE NONCOMMERCIAL GROUP USES / / (Ref.: 36 CFR 251.54) TIME: : Authority: Organic Act of 1897, APPLICATION DATE TIME 16 U.S.C. 551 GRANTED DENIED / / : PART I - APPLICATION 1. APPLICANT INFORMATION: Name of Group: Address of Group or Contact: (whichever is applicable) Name of Contact: Day Phone: Evening Phone: 2. DESCRIPTION OF PROPOSED ACTIVITY: 3. LOCATION & DESCRIPTION OF NATIONAL FOREST SYSTEM LANDS & FACILITIES APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO USE: 4. ESTIMATED NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS & SPECTATORS FOR PROPOSED ACTIVITY: Participants: Spectators: 5. STARTING & ENDING DATE & TIME OF PROPOSED ACTIVITY: Start: / / End: / / Date Time Date Time 6. NAME OF PERSON(S) WHO WILL SIGN A SPECIAL-USE PERMIT ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP (May be same as contact listed in item 1.): Name: Name: Address: Address: Day & Evening Phone: Day & Evening Phone: Signature: Signature: Date: Date: APPLICATION NOT VALID UNLESS SIGNED BY CONTACT. Signature of Contact Date 18 U.S.C. § 1001 makes it a crime for any person knowingly and willfully to make to any department or agency of the United States any false, fictitious, or fraudulent statements or representations as to any matter within its jurisdiction. Anyone knowingly or willfully makes or uses any false writing shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisioned not more than five years, or both. ____________________________________________________________________________ __________ PART II - PERMIT 1. Use under this permit shall begin on and end on . The permit shall not be extended. 2. (the holder) is hereby authorized to use, subject to the terms of this permit, National Forest System lands described as , as shown in attached Exhibit(s) . This permit covers approximately acres and/or miles. 3. The holder is authorized to conduct the following activities and install the following improvements in the permitted area: 4. The holder shall conduct the authorized activities according to the attached approved plans and specifications, Exhibit(s) . The holder shall not install any improvements not specifically identified and approved above or in exhibits. 5. No soil, trees, or other vegetation may be destroyed or removed from National Forest System lands without specific prior written permission from the authorized officer. 6. The holder shall comply with all federal, state, county, and municipal laws, ordinances, and regulations which are applicable to the area or operations covered by this permit. 7. The holder shall maintain the improvements and premises to standards of repair, orderliness, neatness, sanitation, and safety acceptable to the authorized officer. The holder shall fully repair and bear the expense for all damages, other than ordinary wear and tear, to National Forest System lands, roads and trails caused by the holder's activities. 8. The holder has the responsibility of inspecting the use area and adjoining areas for dangerous trees, hanging limbs, and other evidence of hazardous conditions which would pose a risk of injury to individuals. After securing permission from the authorized officer, the holder shall remove such hazards. 9. The holder shall be liable for any damage suffered by the United States resulting from or related to use of this permit, including damages to National Forest resources and costs of fire suppression. 10. The holder shall hold harmless the United States from any liability from damage to life or property arising from the holder's occupancy or use of National Forest System lands under this permit. 11. The holder agrees to permit free and unrestricted access to and upon the premises at all times for all lawful and proper purposes not inconsistent with the intent of the permit or with the reasonable exercise and enjoyment by the holder of the privileges thereof. 12. This permit is subject to all valid existing rights and claims outstanding in third parties 13.This authorization may be revoked or suspended only in accordance with 36 CFR 251.60(a)(1)(i). Upon expiration or revocation of this permit, the holder shall immediately remove all improvements except those owned by the United States, and shall restore the site within days, unless otherwise agreed upon in writing. If the holder fails to remove the improvements, they shall become the property of the United States, but that will not relieve the holder of liability for the cost of their removal and the restoration of the site. 14.This permit is a license for the use of federally owned land. It does not grant any interest in real property. This permit is not transferable. The holder shall not enter into any agreements with third parties for occupancy of the authorized premises and improvements. 15. Any decision concerning this permit, including but not limited to suspension or revocation and modification of permit terms and conditions, is not subject to administrative appeal and is immediately subject to judicial review. 16. This permit is accepted subject to the conditions set forth herein, including any conditions in any exhibits attached to and made a part of this permit. 17. The above clauses shall control if they conflict with additional clauses or provisions. I have read and understand the terms U.S. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE and conditions and agree to abide by them. Forest Service HOLDER: Authorization is granted: By: By: By: Name: Date: Title: Date: HOLDER MUST HAVE THIS PERMIT (OR A LEGIBLE COPY) IN POSSESSION DURING THE AUTHORIZED ACTIVITY According to the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995, no persons are required to respond to a collection of information unless it displays a valid OMB control number. The valid OMB control number for this information collection is 0596-0082. This information is needed by the Forest Service to evaluate requests to use National Forest System lands and manage those lands to protect natural resources, administer the use, and ensure public health and safety. This information is required to obtain or retain a benefit. The authority for that requirement is provided by the Organic Act of 1897 and the Federal Land Policy and management Act of 1976, which authorizes the Secretary of Agriculture to promulgate rules and regulations for authorizing and managing National Forest System lands. These statutes, along with the Term Permit Act, National Forest Ski Area Permit Act, Granger-Thye Act, Mineral Leasing Act, Alaska Term Permit Act, Act of September 3, 1954, Wilderness Act, National Forest Roads and Trails Act, Act of November 16, 1973, Archeological Resources Protection Act, and the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act, authorize the Secretary of Agriculture to issue authorizations for the use and occupancy of National Forest System lands. The Secretary of Agriculture's regulations at 36 CFR Part 251, Subpart B, establish procedures for those authorizations. The Privacy Act of 1974 (5 U.S.C. 552a) and the Freedom of Information Act (5 U.S.C. 552) govern the confidentiality to be provided for information received by the Forest Service. Public reporting burden for this collection of information is estimated to average 15 minutes per response, including the time for reviewing instructions, searching existing data sources, gathering and maintaining the data needed, and completing and reviewing the collection of information. ~~~~Restore the Earth! Restore the People! ~~~~ From owner-gathering@cygnus.com Sun Mar 26 17:03 MST 2000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by darkstar.welcomehome.org (8.8.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id RAA28104 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 17:03:00 -0700 (MST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) id QAA28070; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from clavin.efn.org (clavin.efn.org [206.163.176.10]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA28066 for ; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from garcia.efn.org (opp@garcia.efn.org [206.163.176.5]) by clavin.efn.org (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e2R08ro21331; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (opp@localhost) by garcia.efn.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24907; Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:08:52 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: garcia.efn.org: opp owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:08:51 -0800 (PST) From: Oregonians for Personal Privacy To: peacetribes@wildrockies.org cc: gathering@cygnus.com Subject: Re: RE "Rainbow STate Religion" - Penn opinion In-Reply-To: <1258121333-3015267@wildrockies.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by cygnus.com id QAA28067 Sender: owner-gathering@cygnus.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gathering@cygnus.com Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Status: RO Content-Length: 20745 Lines: 437 Hay Rambler..not a bad rap... all I can say about it to people is; What He Said. Add to this the fact that the FS picked and chose renditions of "guides" "mini manual" and other writings that suited their perspective yet were far from the reality of truth, and "they" know it. We were not opportuned of the chance to point out that there were more of the same entitled writings available from the same as well as other sources that are much more clearly expressed, but of course they show that the gathering is comprised of individual citizens of the planet exercising G-d given Natural Rights. Further to say or insinuate that I adhere to these writings is even more ridiculous and they' should know it. I've been publicly, as well as in statements to the forest service, opposed and disavowedant of these writings as anything except somebodies concept or desired concept from the time Ray barns and his bigoted political associates first attempted to stuff the "mini manual" down our throats in N.C. 1987. We were refused time to work with our attorneys before going to trial. I had only spoken with mine a week before we were to be in court and only after the judge had set a date. I made a motion for a continuance the morning of trial and the judge denied it. I only arrived in town the afternoon before, met my Attorney that evening after already filing, or at least delivering my motion to the Clerk of Court. As we had no opportunity to work with our attorneys , to say nothing of the ability to obtain any discovery we were precluded from putting on a defense. The judge then, obviously, decided not to look at the points at law, but accept the Forest Services rendition of reality. He is not even going to sentence us for "Gathering without Permission," but for wasting the courts time. So much for the courts respect for different constitutional opinions. And it has been I who has said we should do thing the honorable, civil, and lawful way. Well let me say; according to the constitution there are other "lawful" ways. I have received rumor that there are those who are willing to sign, away the rights and liberties of the yet unborn, excuse me, I mean, a permit thinking it will save Garrick, Joanee, and I. IT WON'T - SO DON'T. To paraphrase Franklin... He who surrenders liberty for a measure of security deserves neither. To surrender would be to surrender one of the last vestiges of individual rights left. The only option left may be to let G-d sort it out. Speaking of Nieman's book, which I believe the U.S. Attorney quotes from; as I said at the time, Nieman came to the gathering as a paid social anthropologist, and with his politically correct political friends and wrote what they wanted reality to be. I won't even go into the falsehoods that exist in his book from just a conceptual let alone factual perspective. As for "Modeling after Native Americans:" again what Plunker said. Further, the world was a tribal society long before the "new world americus" was found.' Not only were our Middle European ancestors tribal, but nomadic as well. This is to say nothing of the Tribes Levi, Judah, etc. Not only does the court not understand history it confuses a process of communication and interaction with organization and control. It understands not the responsible, opposed to obedient citizen. The court along with the bureaucracy apparently cannot tolerate the people gathered together without political control. And when the people are not able to freely associate, assemble, caucus and redress their government they are no longer living in a free society, and the accepted and professed constitutional form of government does not exist. When the bureaucracy can demand that the people, in order to exercise rights reserved to them, and memorialized in the Constitution of this, or any nation, first form and or structure themselves in a specified manner there no longer exists a government of the people, by the people, and far from "for the people." We can point out all day the inconsistencies in this case and the tex[s]timony of forest officials. Even Robin Paogue, who has shown more honor than most,(a thousand fold more than fox) said what the U.S. attorney wanted. Again, as I've said in the past; we never started out on the "Rainbow Path"[trail] to fight the government bureaucracy or in any way be a revolutionary' movement in the political sense of things. We were on a spiritual path of peaceful coexistence and to become an example that human kind can live together in peace and harmony without a third party holding a gun to every bodies' head. The bureaucracy, not wanting a responsible citizenry, let alone one banded together in defense of individual liberty has worked overtime to intimidated, denigrate, regulate, and litigate any who would try and live free and responsibly. Advocates of the regulatory-bureaucratic state have consciously worked to transfer power to bureaucratic and elitist institutions, which has enabled arbitrary government intervention, and is the growth of a bureaucracy that makes its own rules, distributes resources within it's control, rules upon citizen deputes administratively, and when forced before a court, within a judicial system that is designed to uphold the regulatory power and authority of a bureaucracy run amok, before judges that, are lazy, ignorant, or in cahoots, all that one can say is... it's time to reevaluate presented reality, as this is precisely why early colonists opposed the Stamp Act and the vice- admiralty courts. It was Jefferson's commitment to freedom and his fear of bureaucrats imposing their will that led him to advocate a limited government and more limited bureaucracy. The Stamp Act Congress explicitly refused to accept that judges could be impartial. The First Continental Congress adopted a Declaration of Rights and Grievances in 1774. Its first claim after its' declaration of "no taxation without representation" was an affirmation of trial by jury, "That the respective colonies are entitled to the common law of England and more especially to the great and inestimable privilege of being tried by their peers according to the course of that law." In contrast to modern belief the 7th Amendment is not about settling disputes between individuals, but that the desire of the colonists for juries was for protection against government not from each other. First, their focus was on the right to jury trial under the law rather than the right to bear arms or the right to vote. Real liberty required real protection and the American colonists had come to believe in: ...the role of the jury as a shield against government oppression. In the words of Charles Carroll of Carrollton, as "the best security against the encroachments of power, and consequently the firmest support of liberty." Right to trial by jury stood as "an insuperable bar against the power of Sovereign over subject." "Juries are not only a most reasonable and equitable means of determination in matters between man and man," believed Baron Rokeby, "but they are likewise a very excellent safeguard of the general rights of the community against the attacks and the attempts of princes, of ministers, or of any other powerful persons." It would be prudent to remember that the latest jurist to rule based his ruling upon the previous rulings of jurists that, all but a few, started from a false premiss; therefor we really shouldn't feel offended... other than, maybe, by the fact that it is easier to parrot than to think: and only goes to show the disrepair of the judicial system and the danger that individual liberty is in from the Bureaucratic State. This should give you an idea of what I'm thinking. [For concepts of the First American Revolution, read Gordon Woods' "The Origins of the American Revolution] sp On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 peacetribes@wildrockies.org wrote: > Howdy, > Montana Rambler here, rolling through the PA Opinion.. > > (1) the document is NOT a "simple one page document", the court is > mis-informed.. the present document IS 26 pages, i repeat 26 pages > > (a) pg1-- FS-2700-3b (3/98) OMB No. 0596-0082 > > USDA Forest Service Special -Use Application & Permit for > noncommercial group uses (ref.: 36 cfr 251.54 Forest Service Use Type 311 > with Date received Holder No. Expiration Date Time Application > granted____ Denied____. > > (b) under #4 Estimated number of participants & Spectators for > proposed activity Participants___Spectators___ > name of Person (s) who will sign a Special-use permit on behalf of > the group (may be same as contact listed in item 1.)... then has place for > TWO names and signature... and then > below this sis APPLICATION NOT VALID UNLESS SIGNED BY CONTACT then place > for contact signature and the date... > at the bottom reads "18 USC & 1001 makes it a crime for any person > knowingly and willfully to make to any department or agency of the United > States any false, fictious, or fraudulent statements or representations as > to any matter within its jurisdiction." > > > I suggest folks get a copy and look at it, and realize this is a > "Catch 22" situation... ACTING AS A LEGAL AGENT AND SIGNING ON BEHALF, would > be a "false, fictitious, or fraudulent statements or representations" > and what makes this VALID" IS THE SIGNATURE OF THE contact... not > THE SIGNERS OF THE SPECIAL-USE PERMIT..., so in a legal manner of speaking > - - WHY ticket someone for not signing a Permit, when actually the "original > sin" is failure to SIGN ON as Contact... > > (2) Pg2 - - PART II - PERMIT > This long page with 17 parts, plus a place for HOLDER, with two > signatures and date, is under "valid OMB control number is 0596-0082" > Lots of conditions:: #10 The holder shall hjold harmless the United > States fromany liability from damage to life or property arising from the > holder's occupancy or use of Nationasl Forest System lands under this permit" > > (3) Attached with Pg 1 and Pg II of Application and Permit is > Pg 297 to pg 320 of Forest Service Regulations > pg 297 beginning with "Designation of Areas 251.23 36 CFr Ch. II > (7-1-97 Edition) > > Pg320 251.102 "Applicability and effective date" > > This is the actual Application and Permit... > > > 36 C.F.R. § 251 .50 (a) The application is a simple one page document, > which each of the three defendants refused to sign Gov. Ex. 6. 36 C.F.R. > §251.54. > > > > > Fact is, the "national team" has one "group" it is "managing" > > William C. Fox, of Missoula, Montana, a criminal investigator for > the U.S. Forest Service, was present at the Allegheny National Forest as > the "incident commander" for a national team that is responsible for > managing large group events in national forest. (T. 7). > > > > > Obviously, the government considers the "Rainbow web site" as > official. Anyone have papers of ownership of various "Rainbow web site" that > is owned by "Rainbow, Rainbow Family" etc... who owns these web sites.. is > the government giving various properties to some mystical "Rainbow Tribe" of > their fancy... I think so. > > > Announcement of the 1999 gathering on the Rainbow web site on the > Internet. (T. 10). Mr. Fox was quite familiar with these events, having > first attended a Rainbow Family gathering in 1992 in Colorado. (T. 10). > He knew that there were occasional regional Rainbow gatherings as well > as national ones (T. I 2), and in conversations with Beck he learned > something of the internal organization of the Rainbow Family; it was then > that Beck suggested that Fox work with a group he called the" peace > keepers", or "Shanti-Sena" of the Rainbow Family, in anticipation of the > Allegheny Forest Gathering. > > > "Who and what Shanti Sena needs to be more clearly defined by the > Defense. > in this case. "Shanti Sena" does not mean "Peace Center" in the > original defintion which I have brought up on agr, even though this > defintion is in affintiy relationship > ... however volunteers do act as "Peace keepers" 24/7 during the > gathering... and yet,everyone who comes is "Shanti Sena" or takes onthe > consciousness. a few years ago, the government denied, in writing, the > "Shanti Sena" as being any kind of a centered or together group." > > > in subsequent analysis the court uses the Rainbow Guide... which has > a mixture of good information and persons' personal opinions. > THE RAINBOW GUIDE is NOT NOR EVER HAS BEEN ANYTHING MORE THAN IT > IS... a few folks put together what they think the gathering and rainbow etc > is all about and they publish it, at different times... including things > like when councils take place, kinds, how many and that a conch shell shal > be blown three times (not once or four, or six, but three times)... > RAINBOW GUIDE is some folks form of speech or expression, at the > gatherings, NOT some "official" source of information or "bible" for the > gatherings or "rainbow". You could just as well use Mike Nieman's book or > Raps off agr... and a passage about council begining from the 21st of june > to the July 10th... a few folks got together in New Mexico in 1995 and > decided that... and it has been a source of contention and confusion ever > since... for something to be accepted at gatherings, for being real etc... > the individuals involved give consensus in their hearts and minds, and live > it... and this QUESTION has not been settled to anybody's satisfaction... > > What needs to be addressed here is the fact the courts and > governments are defining WHO AND WHAT THE Gatherings and the Rainbows are... > For example, the Judge's opinion is the rainbow bases its > organization and activities "on the ways of American Indians or Native > Americans as they are sometimes called." > I have great respect for Indiginous People of this Continent, and > have learned a great deal of practical living, and a greater understanding > of spiritual matters by living, being around, and gathering with individuals > whose ancestry is rooted here on this continent. One thing I have learned is > there were many different ways in which various peoples, called "Cheyenne, > or Sioux, or Mohican, or Hopi etc" lived and defined themselves. The > government "forced" various definitons on these Peoples:: including defining > how these Peoples spiritual/religious practices and their internal > "political" or "communications" processes outa be... read Vine Deloria's > book "Custer Died for your Sins" for example... or examine the situation > currently happening on at Big Mountain, Dine Country. > > For the court to define a 'religious practice" or how "rainbow" > "ways" are is to define a spiritual/religious/political relationship that is > NOT MINE. > I seek to learn from all the Peoples of the Earth... My faith > originates in Jesus Christ, and I seek a spiritual path of the TAO. I have a > blend of understanding and in this blend I see room for All People... > I learn from indviduals and from groups, tribes etc... > The Rainbow Guide and other writings upon the part of individuals is > accepted by the court as being representative of all "rainbow". I do not > Agree, all due respect to all religions and faiths etc.. and the anti-faith > brothers and sisters, who see NO GOD etc as the dway... are likely offended > and their civil rights violated as well... > Jesus Christ and the Great Spirit, I believe opened my eye to see a > "mandala city for all people" a gathering on the mount... an all-inclusive > gathering. > > For these reasons and many more I object, your honor, and I hope > there is an appeal on the facts as presented... beginning with the "one > page" document.. > incidently, the government would seem to want an Appeal made, cause > they think they are winning in the courts... > I think the Forest Service is guilty of Entrapement.. they have led > at least two people in 96 and 97 (and others) to sign a permit etc.. as > being a legal representative etc... and these folks had NO LEGAL AUTHORITY... > > the question:: Is the courts able to make "paper chiefs' and invent a > "rainbow tribe' who conforms to their analysis, which VALIDATES THEIR > 'RAINBOW TRIBE' -- some sor of STATE AUTHORIZED RELIGION?? I thought this > activity is illegal, and unconstituional. > thank yo fro reading, barry, plunker, montana > > Quotes from the Penn court opinion: > > The Rainbow Family appears to base much of its organization and > activities on the ways of the American Indians or Native Americans as > they are sometimes called. The manual states in part: "There is no > authoritarian hierarchy here. We have a tribal anarchy where we take > care of each other, because we recognize that we are all One." (Gov. Ex > > An exhibit entitled "Rainbow Guide" (Gov. > Ex. 3) describes the so-called councils thus: > > the mysteries of why we were together as a > Rainbow People. Maybe the time to sit > together in this way has come again? > At Main Council in New Mexico it was > consensed (sic) that the Annual Gathering and > the council should begin on June 21 and end > on July 10 allow more time to synthesize our > community and The Rainbow Family Tribal > Council. Seven days goes by quickly. A > longer Main Council would lead to a clearer > vision of the tribal village. A strong tribal > coalition can transform unconsciousness and > archaic forms of decision-making into creative > enlightened potentials. > > Shanti-Sena > Shanti-Sena means "Peace Center"! There are > no "Rainbow Police." We are secure because > we watch out for each other. We are All > Shanti-Sena. Experienced Shanti-Sena hold > regular peace keeping workshops which > everyone is encouraged to attend at least > once. Do you know what to do in an > > -5- > Gathering on Public Lands > Our Permit to Gather reads as > follows; "Congress shall make no > law respecting an establishment > of religion or prohibiting the free > exercise thereof or abridging the > freedom of speech or of the > press or the right of the people > peacable (sic) to assemble and > to petition the government For > redress of grievances." > > Gov. Ex. 2 is as announcement of the > Allegheny Forest gathering, titled "Rainbow > Gathering of the Tribes for World Peace & > Healing. June 28-July 10, 1999, Allegheny > National Forest Pennsylvania." It contains > directions to the Allegheny National Forest > and, among other things, suggestions as to > what participants should bring to the gathering. > > On the last page this underlined > Statement appears: "Please do not sign any > permits for Rainbow Family.'" > > The announcement continues. > > "'Congress shall make no law > respecting...religion, speech, press; or the right > of the people peaceably to assemble. Do > administrated (sic) agencies now have powers > that the Constitution specifically withheld from > Congress? Applying for 'permits' gives > authority to 'authorities' to participate in the > control' of people assembling and 'permit' a > strong 'police presence' and the further ends > of the control' agenda are met!" > > In addition, Mr. Fox identified a "Rainbow Guide." (Gov. Ex. 3 ). > On the front page is a picture of a man and woman sitting in front of a > teepee. The Guide contains more details on gatherings, definitions, words > and phrases used by the Rainbow Family, and the names and addresses > of "Focalizers," people "who let you know what's happening where and > when, and who you want to Contact when have info to share. Please > remember these people are cool and Can use much help in the efforts of > focalizing." > ~~~~Restore the Earth! Restore the People! ~~~~ > > >